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I think that the projects here are very promising. The Pinnacle, and the Gherkin and the Shard will make London the greatest skyscraper city in the world and far better than anything that New York has to offer. And also we have the best old buildings at street level and they make New York streets look like absolute rubbish. There is no real contest anymore with the buildings in London, London v New York Skyscrapers, London wins every time. And there are many more to come that aren't even off the drawing books yet! London is looking good and better by the day!


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Mar 14 10 9:05 AM

We already have a London vs New York thread, crime thread, food thread, and general London architectural threads. But London vs New York architecture? Why not.

I feel that the London projects, once completed, will be a mixed bag of good and bad. By the time some of these buildings are built, NYC icons like the ESB and CB will already be around 90 years old.

It's always interesting to see a city developing while its actually happening.

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Mar 20 10 11:57 AM

What do you make of the Cheese Grater?

The Shard?

Personally, the Pinnacle is too...strange and not really a successfully pleasing to the eyes organic design, say, like the Gherkin is.

When will they start building it?


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Apr 9 10 8:10 AM

The Walkie Talkie will make the London skyline the butt of architecture jokes - around the world - for the next 50 years.

Sorry, I meant to say 500 years.

If they do build it, they will make the London skyline look like something from The Simpsons.

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May 25 10 11:09 AM

They have started building 20 Fenchurch - again?

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As the recession appears to lighten, high-rise buildings, put on hold for the past months, are beginning to reach for the London cloudscape all over again.Watered by fresh finance, the towers back in business include the hugely controversial "walkie-talkie" and the soaring "cheese-grater". Every City skyscraper has to have a pet name today. This gives it a kind of cuddly cartoon character and makes it seem more friendly than its true role as a machine for making, and losing, money in can ever really be.
The 180-metre-high walkie-talkie – so called since it looks more like an out-of-date mobile phone – is a bulky, concave structure rising up from the site of 20 Fenchurch Street. Its design, by the Uruguayan-born American architect Rafael Viñoly, was unveiled in 2006. After much protest, not least from English Heritage, it re-emerged slightly shorter, only to be held down by the collapse of the markets. Its saving grace is that it will boast a public roof garden, viewing gallery and restaurant, something few City towers have the grace to offer.
The cheese-grater, at 122 Leadenhall Street, is a more subtle design by Rogers Stirk Harbour, yet it is still enormous compared with recent City buildings. Resembling half a ziggurat, or at least half a ziggurat seen through a 21st-century lens, the 225-metre-high tower is an attempt to build as high as possible without imposing too forcefully on the views and baroque majesty of Wren's St Paul's Cathedral.
Even then, these Square Mile towers, along with the 288-metre-high "helter skelter" (aka the Pinnacle, or the Bishopsgate tower, designed by the American architects Kohn Pedersen Fox) and the 230-metre-high Heron tower – a "six-star office block" says its modest developer, Gerald Ronson – also by KPF, are to be overshadowed in 2012 by the "shard". This is the 310-metre-high skyscraper, designed by Renzo Piano, shooting up on the south side of London Bridge.
Behemoths all of them, but an architectural sign that the City of London is back in action doing what, for better or worse, it can't help itself doing: recreating itself like some monstrous phoenix made of gold coins. When you remember that the some of the buildings these new towers replaced were just 40 years old, the aim of the City is clear. Money. Above all else, and with buildings that look as much like giant pound and dollar signs on the London skyline as they do shards, cheese-graters, helter skelters or walkie-talkies.

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Jan 24 11 1:27 PM

Ok. London vs New York skyscrapers.

Size? NYC
Number? N\YC
Design? NYC
Scale? NYC
Visual Impact? NYC

This thread is going to be one sided - UNLESS - we are talking about something very specific, such as "unusual design".

You may be better off comparing London to Frankfurt or somewhere else, because up against NYC Tokyo or Hong Kong, it's going to come off second best.

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Jan 24 11 1:29 PM

I think that the projects here are very promising. The Pinnacle, and the Gherkin and the Shard will make London the greatest skyscraper city in the world and far better than anything that New York has to offer. And also we have the best old buildings at street level and they make New York streets look like absolute rubbish. There is no real contest anymore with the buildings in London, London v New York Skyscrapers, London wins every time. And there are many more to come that aren't even off the drawing books yet! London is looking good and better by the day!

-thebrave


Thanks for the laugh.

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Jan 25 11 6:03 AM

Ok. London vs New York skyscrapers.
Size? NYC
Number? N\YC
Design? NYC
Scale? NYC
Visual Impact? NYC
This thread is going to be one sided - UNLESS - we are talking about something very specific, such as "unusual design".
You may be better off comparing London to Frankfurt or somewhere else, because up against NYC Tokyo or Hong Kong, it's going to come off second best.

-thenarrator

Los Angeles or somewhere like Philly may be a better comparison with London. The skyscrapers are about equal in terms of number, size, cluster etc etc.

But yes, to compare London skyscrapers to those in New York does seem to be a little optimistic, however I want to hear what Mr Brave and the others have to put forward before I decide its a no contest.

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Feb 7 11 12:35 PM

...make London the greatest skyscraper city in the world and far better than anything that New York has to offer. And also we have the best old buildings at street level and they make New York streets look like absolute rubbish. There is no real contest anymore with the buildings in London, London v New York Skyscrapers, London wins every time.!

-thebrave


Did you run out of Scotch Eggs or Jellied Eels to eat or Churchill Documentaries to watch just to post this thread? Because your post is somewhat... insubstantial and one sided - don't you think?

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Feb 7 11 12:38 PM

What do you make of the Cheese Grater?
The Shard?
Personally, the Pinnacle is too...strange and not really a successfully pleasing to the eyes organic design, say, like the Gherkin is.
When will they start building it?
-bacchusny


The Pinnacle? About 50 % of the basement slabs were complete by December 2010. Construction commenced sometime late last year and we should start a thread about it so some of our London friends here can start keeping us posted about its construction.The bottom floors of this building do actually look interesting.

The other buildings such as the Shard, Gherkin, Cheese Grater / Glass Duplo Block - well they each have their own thread and I will post my thoughts there.


RENDER OF THE BASE OF THE PINNACLE/BISHOPSGATE TOWER LONDON

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Feb 7 11 12:44 PM

The Walkie Talkie will make the London skyline the butt of architecture jokes - around the world - for the next 50 years.
Sorry, I meant to say 500 years.
If they do build it, they will make the London skyline look like something from The Simpsons.

-greatlester


The Walkie Talkie is starting to grow on me (at least the renders)

What is not growing on me is the fact that London skyscrapers are like New York circa 1910 - just not that many and not that wonderful for the era - You cannot nay that the Gherkin in 2011 has the same impact as the Chrysler Building did in 1931 or 1935, and with the Tower Verre and the Whole Foods Skyscraper and the Carnegie 57 AND the Freedom Tower all in the pipeline/under construction in New York, London doesn't really have that much more interesting than our present developement - and thats ALL IT HAS!!!

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Feb 16 11 4:38 AM

The Walkie Talkie will make the London skyline the butt of architecture jokes - around the world - for the next 50 years.
Sorry, I meant to say 500 years.
If they do build it, they will make the London skyline look like something from The Simpsons.

-greatlester


Disagree. The WT will be the more interesting building there. The Shard however? It's tall - sure. But somewhat boring in its approach. There isn't much to it except a tall building with angled sides. And its in a part of London where there's not much there except a good view of the Tower Bridge. Nice one!!

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Mar 8 11 12:08 AM

At least London can boast about having the world's highest fox. See the thread here in the London Skyscraper sub-Forum about the Shard.

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May 15 11 3:17 AM

From the March 2011 Atlantic Magazine, "HOW SKYSCRAPERS CAN SAVE THE CITY". by Edward Glaeser.

Second, historic preservation should be limited and well defined. Landmarking a masterpiece like the Flatiron Building or the old Penn Station is sensible. Preserving a post-war glazed-brick building is absurd. But where do you draw the line between those two extremes? My own preference is that, in a city like New York, the Landmarks Preservation Commission should have a fixed number of buildings, perhaps 5,000, that it may protect. The commission can change its chosen architectural gems, but it needs to do so slowly. It shouldn’t be able to change its rules overnight to stop construction in some previously unprotected area. If the commission wants to preserve a whole district, then let it spread its 5,000-building mandate across the area. Perhaps 5,000 buildings are too few; but without some sort of limit, any regulatory agency will constantly try to increase its scope

Will London's new skyscrapers save London city?

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Jun 2 11 4:19 AM

Brave, it is nice to see London building some very unique looking skyscrapers, but here are my opinions about which are better.

If you look at New York and the projects that are underway now, such as Carnegie 57, Tower Verre, 250 57th Street Whole Foods Skyscraper, and Freedom Tower, and the WTC 2, WTC 4, and the other World Trade Center buildings you will note that even just the projects underway now in Manhattan are bigger, more substantial and even more unique (look at Verre and 250 East 57th Street) than all of the skyscrapers ever built in London.

Size? Freedom Tower
Quantity? Look at the list to the right, and that's only a fraction of the skyscrapers in this city.
Quality? NYC is the Greece and Rome of Skyscrapers (Chicago is the Egypt of Skyscrapers)
Unique Design? Tower Verre, Carnegie 57, WTC 2, and 250 East 57th (probably the best)
Density? Manhattan is far more densely packed than London, even 10 blocks of Manhattan has more impressive skyscrapers than all of London

NYC WINS BIATCHES , THERE AINT NO CONTEST , YOU LOSE SO GO AND EAT YOUR FISH AND CHIPS AND PAY FOR YOUR OLYMPICS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS

Hong Kong has some real impressive buildings too. I think that even Tokyo has skyscrapers as impressive as London, maybe it's a tie, but remember that Tokyo is built on a filled in bay in an earthquake zone in the shadow of a Volcano (Fuji) - so London should be miles ahead which it isn't.

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Apr 4 12 11:56 AM

Tokyo has the world's best skyscrapers friend, Tokyo Midtown, Mori Tower, Tokyo Tower, Sky Tree, Gakuen, and the wonderful Yoyogi Docomo Tower friends, they are all very nice.

Take care friends.

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